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Hello, (again)
After a confusing time and some waiting, I'll have another go...
Here is my situation
At the moment I have 12 units that I'd like to hook up to a Motu midi express XT controlled PC system.
(3) Three of them are keyboards (with their own audio outputs)
(3) Three are midi input devices.
(6) And the rest are just Audio devices...
I desperately need to set up a 'midi through plan'. And I don't REALLY! know how to organize a most correct 'midi through setup' related to my scenario.
SoI have 6 midi controllers that only 3 of them will need Midi In, and 6 audio units that will only receive midi with no midi outs...
So I am pretty sure as I wrote these, I probably almost answered my question, but I am a midi illiterate, among many other things...
I do mind learning new things that if I can manage to proceed without really getting too intimate... I am scared of anything that would get in the way of work,
especially if you dance ADD as I do...
And frankly there are so many things that you can not learn in 5 minutes, and as you might have figured it out by now that,
I am not particularly young and loaded with precious time. 😉
There are probably many ways to accomplish what I am trying to do, and the most flexible version out of all those possible scenarios is the one I would be the most interested in...
And figuring that out requires experience... Lots of them... And lots of time as well... Time spent well? Hopefully...
So it is not a coincidence that I am here...
I am more of a writer than a performer but I also really like to write as I perform, fooling around and like reacting to stuff that comes out of speakers, lots of improvisations.
So more inputs obviously mean more conversations...
Yes! With myself... Mostly...
So thank you in advance and looking forward to getting stupified as someone explains it to me... Because it's probably gonna be something very simple...
Also, I'd like to make this to beknown to all, I may be old and dumbish, but I tried a good couple of hours to figure this out but google certainly was not my friend... There you go.
UPDATE:
And since my early attempt to post this message was not possible due to the weird technical issues, which they are weird passworded messages locked messages and then this almost similar message was being rejected by the spam filter... So I had a lot more in my hand while they were figuring out how to make the system more friendly. So About a week I've been trying to get a little beefy information about it... Well, I've not been successful at all...
So this is my only shot... No pressure though... 🙂
cheers
Posted : 27/11/2019 9:03 pm
Hello @Cem, I'm glad you finally made it here. 😀
It would be helpful if you listed the manufacturer and model of each of your MIDI and audio devices. We will need to dig into the owners manuals of each one to see what connectivity they support. It will also be helpful to know what operating system is on your PC and what MIDI and audio capabilities your PC has.
Posted : 28/11/2019 7:46 am
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Thank you, so am I 🙂
Yes makes sense... 😮 Sory my bad...
Win 10 64 bit
RME Fireface UFX + 8 Digital Input via ADAT
Motu Midi Express XT
Kurzweil K2600 XS - Keyboard Work Station
Kurzweil K2500 RS - Sound Bank
E-Mu E6400 Ultra (Just because I have lots of homemade banks from the past:)
Korg SG-Pro Z - Midi Keyboard... (Though It has a limited Sound Bank. Not an urgent one, never the less it is just convenient & practical to have them)
Korg Wave Station EX - Keys (Obviously Sounds are not so important here)
- Korg A3 - Guitar Processor (No Midi)
- Digitech IPB-10 - Guitar Multi EFX Pedal (No Midi) (I, mistakenly put this into Midi Channel count)
Maschine Studio
Maschine 2 (I forgot to add this one to the overall channel count)
TC-Helicon VoiceLive3 - Vocal Processor (These TC-Helicons also have midi inputs for Chord recognition. I also forgot to add them in the channel count)
TC-Helicon VoiceWorks - Vocal Processor
Behringer FCB 1010 - Midi Pedal
Aero Drums - Midi Controller
I believe this is everything...
Unfortunately for me, there is no serious tutorial on Motu Midi Express XT... I tried to use the Pedal function on it and I have not been able to succeed... So any input on that would be great.
If you are going to dig into this whole thing sounds like A LOT of work!
I am feeling a bit like an arrogant Prince of some stinking Island somewhere in the Pacific Ocean or something... Demanding service...
How am I gonna repay you for all that? I'll be in your debt like for a very very long time...
So I hope there will be a chance for that in the future... Well, that's the hope, isn't it... 🙂
thank you so much
cem
Posted : 29/11/2019 6:55 am
Let's start with your computer and the MIDI Express. This will be the hub of your set up.
When you open any MIDI software on your computer and go to settings, do you see a list of MIDI ports similar to what is shown on page 24 of the MIDI Express User Guide?
Posted : 29/11/2019 7:10 am
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I have exhausted all eight channels with eight devices already. So yes, all the ports are available, along with few other ports generated by the third-party software, plus RMS ones as well...
I 've been using this set up without any major problems. Occasional: "Why is this not working? What the hell happened now?!" Also, I am not very effective on routing keyboards exactly, but I am okay in general... 🙂
Posted : 30/11/2019 6:47 pm
I have exhausted all eight channels with eight devices already.
You mean, eight ports. Each port has 16 channels. It's best not to confuse ports and channels. 😀
Which devices do you currently have connected to each port on the MOTU?
Posted : 30/11/2019 10:46 pm
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WOW! This site is a marvel... What happened to my replay?? Maaaan! I came to see if I got a replay... But it seems my last message is devoured...! What now, spam again?!
Eight x2 channels... 🙂 So yes, I used all 16 channels.
I hooked up everything except Aero Drums - Maschine 2 - Behringer Midi pedal
UPDATE
Oh good! My last post has not disappeared...
Posted : 03/12/2019 4:33 am
Eight x2 channels... 🙂 So yes, I used all 16 channels.
No. Ports and channels are so fundamental to MIDI you need to understand them to avoid confusion.
Your MOTU MIDI Express has 8 In ports and 8 Out ports. Each port has 16 channels. Which means you have 128 In channels and 128 Out channels.
From what you're saying, you have 8 cables connected to all 8 MIDI In ports on the MOTU but you have more MIDI devices that you want to connect. read on.
I hooked up everything except Aero Drums - Maschine 2 - Behringer Midi pedal
What you need to do is use the MIDI devices that have MIDI THRU to connect more than one device to a single port on your MOTU.
For example, unplug the Kurzweil keyboard from the MOTU and plug it into the MIDI In port of the Behringer FCB 1010. Now connect the MIDI Out/THRU from the Behringer to the MIDI In port you freed up on the MOTU. You now have 2 MIDI devices connected to a single port on your MOTU.
Use this same technique for other, additional MIDI devices.
UPDATE
Oh good! My last post has not disappeared...
I don't see it.
Posted : 07/12/2019 8:05 am
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Hi,
Sorry about my absence... I had personal health problems and then the my system has crashed... So I just managed swap drives...
Thank you for your answers.
I think Pedal is not a great choice, in this scenario. Also, I don't want to turn everything on (so noisy) even though I don't need them, but because of MIDI THRU business, I have to...
So I am looking for a 'midi through box' Which I've just heard about it: MIDI Solutions Quadra Thru...
I just have to wait patiently for someone to deliver it to me. Because the shipping costs more than the unit...
Thank you again for your time and efforts to help me I appreciated it...
cheers
Posted : 18/12/2019 8:12 am
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Sorry, that sounds very dry. I didn't mean to sound so callous. I do appreciate your efforts and I am pretty sure I'll be back for one other reason... 🙂
Later
Posted : 18/12/2019 2:39 pm
No problem. All is good. 😀
Posted : 18/12/2019 9:33 pm
